Identity VS Image
Identity vs Image - Real stories behind assumptions, legacies, and labels.
Each week, hosts Michelle Gatchell and Ric Moore, sit down with people whose lives have been touched, shaped or skewed—by the weight of a family name, a predecessor’s reputation, the ripple of a rumor, or the spotlight of someone else’s fame. Join us and hear these amazing stories.
Identity VS Image
May Pang on John Lennon: The Intimate Truth Beyond the Headlines
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May Pang invites listeners into her extraordinary world, sharing never-before-seen photographs from her time with John Lennon during what history has labeled his "Lost Weekend." Through her candid storytelling, May dispels the myths surrounding this period, revealing a happy, creative John that contradicts the "down and out" narrative perpetuated by others. "It's time for people to see the other side of John, the John that I knew," she explains, her voice warm with affection for these treasured memories.
The photographs, now part of her traveling exhibition "The Lost Weekend: The Photography of May Pang," capture intimate moments—John relaxed with friends' dogs during a weekend getaway near Woodstock, quiet moments in their modest New York apartment, and the genuine joy in his eyes that May helped bring forth. These images weren't staged for magazines; they were personal snapshots of real life, making them all the more valuable as historical artifacts.
May's journey before and after Lennon proves equally fascinating. Born to Chinese immigrants, she overcame her father's disappointment at having a daughter instead of a son. Her mother—a survivor of Japanese occupation during WWII who later ran a Chinese laundry in America—emerges as her hero and inspiration. This foundation of resilience led May to boldly walk into Apple Records in 1969 and ask for a job, setting in motion an extraordinary career that would later include working with producer Tony Visconti (whom she eventually married) and crossing paths with legends like David Bowie, Elizabeth Taylor and Sir Elton John.
Perhaps most touching is May's reflection on Lennon's prophetic warning that future romantic partners would inevitably compare themselves unfavorably to him—a prediction that has proven true throughout her life. These personal revelations, alongside extraordinary stories like hanging out with David Bowie and Liz Taylor, create a multidimensional portrait of a woman who has lived an extraordinary life while maintaining a refreshingly genuine perspective.
Discover the untold story behind one of rock history's most misunderstood chapters through May's eyes. Check out her exhibition and documentary "The Lost Weekend: A Love Story" to experience John Lennon as few ever knew him.
Identity versus image Real stories behind assumptions, legacies and labels. Each week, we sit down with people whose lives have been touched, shaped or skewed by the weight of a family name, a predecessor's reputation, the ripple of a rumor or the spotlight of someone else's fame. Here are your hosts Michelle Gatchel and Rick Moore.
Speaker 2Welcome everybody to Identity vs Image. I'm Michelle Gatchel and I'm here with my co-host, rick Moore, and we have a great interview for you today. May Pang, john Lennon's companion and lover during his Lost Weekend era, is here to talk about her exhibit that she's traveling the country with, called the Lost Weekend the Photography of Mei Pang, and it features her personal photos of her and John during the time that she was with him, and it coincides with the digital release that she did a feature film documentary on Lennon and her, called the Lost Weekend A Love Story, and she is sharing John Lennon that she knew, because she says that there's all sorts of people out there thinking they know what her image is and what her relationship was with him, and she just wanted to set the record straight and tell her story. So, mae, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2Yeah, so I had Privy to look through some of the pictures that were sent that are going to be part of your exhibit. And you know I was a big Beatles fan, but not one specific Beatle over the other, but god did I love like me, yeah, but the thing is the, the, the Beatle that I was really thrilled about was Ringo.
The Lost Weekend Upstate Trip
Speaker 3Yes, you know, not, john. And uh, the funny part about it is years later, you know, know, I tell the story. I'm standing washing dishes or something, and I hear, hey, who was your favorite Beatle? And I immediately went, oh, ringo. And then I went, oh, hold on, wait a minute. I don't think I should have said that it was an afterthought. And I heard I went, uh, we are talking about my 13 year old self, not now. And I didn't hear anything for a long time and I kept saying it is my 13 year old self, right, and it was. And he finally said, yeah, okay. But here's the terrible part. We saw Ringo that night and I was hoping he wasn't going to bring it up, because it's just something that happened.
Speaker 3And he goes oh, by the way, you were her favorite. I want to jump into a hole at that point. Just dive right in there, so there.
Speaker 2Oh man, yeah, so you of course, had a relationship with John Lennon, and so this exhibit is going to be pictures that you took during that relationship. Right, and what I was about to say was you can see in his face how happy you made him. I mean, his eyes, his whole his eyes smiled. You know, I love the pictures that we have the one here's my favorite and the one with the two German shepherds where you guys are walking along a path.
Speaker 3That's my favorite, my friend's dogs, yeah.
Speaker 2Oh, OK, yeah, it was such a cool outdoor casual. You don't see right?
Speaker 3Right, what happened was he wanted to get away and it was. We had been working nonstop for that whole year. I mean, we went from, you know, starting with the rock and roll, we went into Harry Nielsen, we went into Ringo, we went to Elton, we did his album, you know. So it was like one ride after the other. And he says I need a break. And he knew that he was getting ready at this point to do his own thing, like to promote Walls and Bridges, which has just been finished. And he knew because we had to continue on with the rock and roll album. And he says I just got to have a weekend away, I just don't want to think. So I said where would you like to go? And he said anywhere.
Speaker 3And then I was mentioning it to my friend and he said well, you know, I have a cabin, a little house up in upstate New York, Ellenville, which is near Woodstock. Would you guys want to have it? So of course I asked John and he said ah, absolutely, We'll take it, you know. So he goes, he goes, yeah, you can have it as long as you want. So my friend met us up there. He had his brother came along, brother's girlfriend, but we knew him so it wasn't such a big deal but his and he brought over the two dogs because his wife, um, his wife at the time was a an airline uh, stewardess or attendant, flight attendant and she, so she was away. So he had the two dogs and their names are Shazam and Delilah. And then when you look at that picture, the one with the big giant head off to the side of Shazam, that's the male dog and he looks.
Speaker 3He always scared me, no matter what. Delilah was easy. You know cause? I actually got bit by a guard dog when I was young. So you know the German shepherd all I remember that. I think it was about a year and a half. I remember seeing this dog coming charging at me. It was frightening. I remember being. I turned around, bit me. I just remember my mother is trying to put something on the bites and I was like screaming. So I had. I'm surprised. I even like any type of dogs.
Speaker 2So what? What inspired you to share these intimate moments with the world?
Speaker 3Well, you know my, my, my work husband, as I call him, scott, who's been chasing me for six years, he thought that it would be a great. You know all these photographs he had seen. You know, on and off, you know to share with people. And I said I wasn't ready and I really didn't think people were interested. And he kept saying oh, no, no, you don't understand, they'll be interested. And I said no, I don't know about that. But at the same time he didn't know.
Sharing Intimate Photos with Fans
Speaker 3When he started asking me, I was already are in that documentary, so I kept that under wraps for a long, long time. And when it was being released for a one-day event in the theaters, and he kept asking me and I said you know what, this may be the time and let's check it out. And that's what happened. And I'm sharing him because I thought it was time for when the reception was great and I just thought you know what? It's time for people to see the other side of John, the John that I knew. I got tired of people reading saying he was down and out, he was the worst, he, he looked horrible, but as you can see and you've seen the photos yourself and how he looked horrible. But, as you can see and you've seen the photos yourself and how he looked these are photographs that I took at home. They are candid. They're not uh, they're not from magazines. That's why you you didn't. A lot of people have never seen them. They were just our home photos that I would just take for us yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2Well, I'm so glad you decided to share them, because they are just. I love history and I love stories. I love love too, and it's a love story that we're seeing in your pictures.
Speaker 3Right, I just thought it was now I could share them. Anybody can purchase a print of. You know these limited prints, they could take them home. I know one woman has her coffee in the morning. You know with with him. You know he's up on the wall. Some other, there's some photos that they put somewhere else, that you know people have ideas once they see the photos, where they want to put him and it's, it's nice because they see another side of him and it's just personal yeah, the real candid side of him.
Speaker 4That's what was really special about watching that, that documentary, and uh, one thing that really stood out to me was your relationship with julian and uh, just how, at the end, how it all came together and you came out and surprised him and that was a really great moment in that. And you came out and surprised him, and that was a really great moment in that.
Speaker 3Yeah, he didn't know I was there, so he really didn't. So, as you can tell, what you see is exactly that. You know he was surprised, and so I was just very happy to be able to do that and I was very grateful of him to participate. I know that if his mother was alive she would have participated, so it's the whole thing.
Speaker 4His mother and I were very close. Yeah, that whole relationship between his mother and him and you is really something special.
Speaker 3It definitely was.
Working at Apple Records
Speaker 3Yeah, and so getting to just one more kind of and I'm going to say this might be the dark part of this story, but both you and her had to deal with Yoko In different ways. Yes, I dealt with her. I dealt with Yoko in a different way. Yes, I worked for her first. Then I've had to deal with her when John and I were a couple. And you know the reason I did this movie, just so that people understand. I did it because I was tired of everybody saying I know your story and they were running away and telling my story and they had no idea. None of these people were in my life when it was being told.
Speaker 3So everybody's assuming, and you know no matter where they got the info. They're not in my room with me, with John, our private conversations are whatever. So when people see this, they're very surprised. Oh, I didn't know this and I didn't know that. Well, you're not in my life, you're not in my personal space, yeah so good.
Speaker 2Um, so you know there's a lot of things just watching your documentary. Yeah, I love that you start with like who you are and who your mom and dad were. But you know some of the things that you had to overcome is being born Chinese, a little girl, and how your dad looked upon that versus and he went out and adopted your brother.
Speaker 3Well, he made my mother bring adopt a son, because he was already in America. And my mother said, well, why don't you file for two kids? We have a daughter? And he said, no, it's for one, and it's got to be a boy. And so that's what happened.
Speaker 3And, of course, when my mother was pregnant with me in New York, where I was born, it was difficult for her because, you know, she had a laundry, she, when she was pregnant, when she was about to give birth to me, my father took over her, her, she had a laundry, the old fashioned Chinese laundry, and, and you know, friends of the family combined, they would say to my father, aren't you going to visit your wife? And he'd say, why? It's a girl. And and so it was always that. So, no matter what, it was always the fact that I was a girl, and so I had to work doubly hard to even get into that space within.
Speaker 3My mother was always the one who was my. She's my, you know, she's my hero, went through a lot of people don't realize. Um, when she was in china, she had my sister on her back. Um, uh, she's part of a twin there was. I don't know if she had both of them on with her but uh, and the other one passed away, but she's carrying them and that when this is in the village that where my family's from is where the japanese invaded that whole village and this is World War II, and she used to run from the Japanese each time she was afraid she was going to be killed.
Speaker 2Yeah, oh my goodness Special lady. Yeah.
Speaker 3So she went through a lot and she survived. I mean, she died many, many years ago, but she was in her 90s. But she never forgot, because the memory of what the Japanese had done, because I remember all the time waking up thinking why is my mother crying in her sleep? Because I see she's asleep. I kept seeing this when I was young, up until I was able to understand. I woke her up one day and said mom, why are you crying? And she just woke up and she goes. What she goes, oh, must be one of my nightmares. And I said what do you mean? And that's when she told me she goes. I still dream because she was screaming in her sleep saying they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. So that's why?
Speaker 2Oh my gosh, yeah yeah, that was one thing to overcome. I was really impressed. Just the flippant way that you walked into a building and asked if they had a job. Like you had chutzpah.
Speaker 3Yes, I had that, I guess because you know what. What did I have to lose? I didn't have a job. And if they said no, I was no worse off than where I was. I was just didn't have a job.
Speaker 3Yeah, I just happened to be in the right place in the right time. The universe put me there and I just remembered coming in. I said the right time, the universe put me there and I just remembered coming in. I said I'm gonna go. You know, I wasn't meant to go there originally. I was sent to go to another uh company for a job.
Speaker 3But my girlfriend who met me said you know what's in this building? And I said what? It goes apple records. And I went what? And you know? And I said I'm gonna go up. She goes what do you mean? You're gonna go up? I said I'm gonna go ask them for a job. She goes you're crazy. I said what's the harm? They don't have it. They don't have it. I mean, nowadays we can't do that anymore, obviously, but I don't let you in the door. I know that I couldn't believe all the stuff that you got to go through.
Speaker 3Um and I, I went up there and the first time the girl, the woman that was behind the desk, which I later found out that was not her job, she was not a receptionist, but she was relieving one of the other ladies she said no, there's no job opening. And just at that moment there were doors on either side of the desk and people were just filing out Tons of people and I was like what just happened? And it turned out it was lunchtime, which I had no idea, and everybody's coming out and the woman behind the desk, who I'm still friendly with to this day, said this young lady is looking for a job, are there any openings? Just yelled it out and this guy turned around and he said, um, I might come back after lunch it pays to just go for it what.
Speaker 3So my, my, my advice to people, because you know, people have come up and asked me when they've seen that and I always tell them but you got to work for it. You still have to work for it. I may have been hired, but I think you know, can you type yeah, can you do? Yeah, I didn't know anything, but I wanted to keep that job and I I sat there, I would. Every moment that I could do it, I would teach myself. I want, I wanted to be a go-getter, understanding how to keep that job, so it wasn't like as if, oh yeah, it came to me and I got everything I wanted. I worked very hard and I stayed late and whatever they want. I wanted to learn all the little things and how it worked Awesome.
Speaker 4Sure Paid off.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3I got a job and it was pretty good, you know and I didn't mind how many years did you work there. Well, I worked there. It started in 1969. Oh, wow, okay. So here's. Here's a thing for you 1969, I'm there maybe two weeks. So, being newbie on the block, it was my turn to relieve the girl at the front desk.
Speaker 3So I'm there and a phone rings and you know it's a switchboard, you know, so you connect everybody. So I said okay, you connect everybody. So I said OK, and they said, oh, we're so and so, from some radio station in Detroit, I think it was. And I said OK, and I said what can I help you with? And they said we just heard that Paul McCartney is dead. And I said what? I said no such thing. So I said hold on a minute.
Speaker 3So I tried to get people who the department would go to and nobody wanted to touch this. They said I'm sorry, nobody's available. And they said can we quote you that you don't know anything? They wanted my name. I said can't use my name because I'm thinking I'll be out of a job in two seconds. And I said no. But they said well, can we say that? Somebody from Apple? I said sure, very vague. And they said you definitely haven't heard. No, we haven't heard anything, no such. We haven't heard anything, no such thing. And years later I'm hearing about, you know, this Detroit radio station, these DJs they talk to somebody at Apple, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's about that. And I'm going oh, isn't that interesting. I remember talking to somebody and then I realized it's about me. It's me that they talk to. You know, they didn't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2So funny, funny. So you know, I've kind of watching through your documentary, set me then on a rabbit hole about your life and I jumped down that rabbit hole willingly. But the one thing in my head is you are a true blue muse. I mean, I want to call you like Euterpe or you know, one of the nine goddesses that was the muse of music, because the people that you were around, your passion and your musical heart obviously came through.
Speaker 3True, I mean, you know, I never thought of it that way, cause I just, you know, I didn't take myself as serious or having people, you know a lot of people would love to say, oh, this is, this is the, the thing I, I'm their muse. I never, I never made myself that important, if you know what I mean. I just wanted to make sure that the guy I'm with his, um, he's the, he's the main guy. I always said that he's the person that everybody's looking at. You know, he's the main guy. I'm not the person. And um, there's one star in the family, it ain't me well, but but that's just it.
Speaker 2I I feel like, because I I cut a couple times in the documentary even it. In those pictures you're in the background. You loved being in the studio watching, right? Yes?
Speaker 3that's true, but because john liked me being there, because he knew I understood what it was like to be in studio life, as I would say, if, if you know what?
Speaker 3I mean, um, he knew, uh, I could deal with the musicians. I booked the studio, I booked the musicians, whatever was needed, whatever um instrument, whatever was, whatever was needed, whatever instrument, whatever was, whatever was needed. I was there. Yeah, how fun, I know. He used to say we had another guy named John that worked in the office and and I was told nobody else is allowed in that studio except except me. And he said, because one of the things was that John just said if, if the other john came around, it'll be like he'll be singing and john will come in and say, uh, do you want coffee in the most inappropriate time, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2so that was it yeah, he trusted you and that's a huge thing. Yes, you mentioned, uh, having a special relationship with David Bowie. I was curious, because, of course, you went on to marry Tony Visconti. Did he introduce you two?
From John to Tony Visconti
Speaker 3No, here's the whole thing. Do you think Tony introduced us to Bowie? No, it was actually Bowie who introduced Tony to us. Ok, because I was with John at still at that point, john and I met Bowie at the same time, along with Elton, and the person that introduced us to To Bowie was Elizabeth Taylor. Ok, there there's a there's another person off on the side, you know yeah, did she have violet eyes?
Speaker 2really? Did you see the violet eyes?
Speaker 3absolutely. I looked at she was sitting down and I was looking down looking at her and I looked at those eyes. They were beautiful oh my god yeah, she was wearing, I want those eyes, but the diamond, what was it? She was wearing emeralds, diamond and emeralds, one of her famous ones. When you see it, I was like, oh okay, I recognize all this stuff here. I'm dressed in jeans, she's dressed in a lovely. You know all the, all the great jewels, you know.
Speaker 2Yeah Well, so then what took you to Tony eventually?
Speaker 3well, we went to visit Bowie and Bowie invited him down because they were working on the Young Americans album and so he said to, apparently because I asked Tony, and he said uh, you know. Bowie said do you want to meet John Lennon? Who was like what are you kidding me? Who doesn't want to meet John Lennon? And he was like what are you kidding me? Who doesn't want to meet John Lennon? So we met him and one of the first questions he asked me, because he was so into martial arts he goes does your father do Kung Fu? And I'm like what, oh my gosh? I said nah, but I didn't meet him. It was like the first time I met him was there and we had a conversation. We didn't meet again for, uh, probably another, uh, what was it?
Speaker 119, 10 years we didn't meet up again for another 10 years.
Speaker 3So it wasn't like as if it was something that that happened?
Speaker 2what was going on? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3I do have to say your uh, your memory is amazing uh, all the conversations you can remember and and all that, and, and there is uh quite impressive well, you know what, when you don't, um, if you, when you don't drink and take drugs and whatever else, when everybody else, because I know they all have fuzzy memories. When I talked to my even my friends, and they were sitting with me, I said don't you remember that they go? No, was I there, um, you know it's, it's that, it's that moment, you know, it's so, the clarity it, it's a certain. There are moments I don't remember, but it's not because I don't remember, because it's cloudy, it's because there's so much that has taken, uh, in my life. I can only remember so much of my, my uh, what is it?
Speaker 3the, the, uh, the, the little, the little disc that in my head can only hold so much. I have to remove and get something else in. You know, I remembered a lot.
Speaker 2Let's put it that way yeah well, so your new life with Tony, another musician, producer of music um. Were you in the studio with him as well?
Speaker 3at times he was different because, uh, I I worked with him on that too. When we would do certain things, I would come in. I didn't do it when I was with him when we lived in England, but when we came back to New York I did some of it. Not all the time, because Tony was a little more. It was he didn't have to be in singing or anything else all the time. He would be the one doing the the producing.
Speaker 3Yeah, he worked on the board, so he knew what he wanted. But I did work with him. My part would be he would work with the studio. I worked with the artists. I worked with the, the contract. I would do the, the. I was a liaison to the record company company. You know still that stuff. I still did some things, not as in depth although it was a lot of it, but it was not as in depth like working with John.
Speaker 2Yeah, and then the muse continues to have two children that also are musical.
Speaker 3They are, but they're not in that business. That's the difference. Oh, it was funny. Tony would call my daughter or my son whenever he needed, you know, an extra vocal background vocal, extra vocal background vocal, especially my daughter, yeah, my, his oldest son by his former marriage to Mary Hopkin, which you know, everybody knows, those were the days. That's his oldest son. He's done very well. He does commercials and creates music for films and stuff. So he had a. You know he could do stuff with him.
Speaker 2So they were when you say those were the days, was that a song she sang? Remember those were?
Chinese Heritage and Mother's Influence
Speaker 3the days, my friend, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she was also on Apple as well. Ah, okay, my daughter, as she just got married a couple of years ago. It's only a year and a half she's been with the guy for eons. She was with him for 17 years before getting married. She's a designer. She does packaging designs. She works with the nest candles oh yeah, yeah, and she does all the packaging. She does a lot of the major packaging from that, from that company oh, nice okay yeah, and so she does a lot and a lot of people have seen it.
Speaker 3She um that she's done most of that stuff fantastic, yeah, and so what's son doing then? He does more tech stuff. He works over at alarmcom and, uh, he works over there and and he does. He works with the people who have a problem with their alarm system, not the consumer, but with more the with the business, business side of it, yeah, with the other companies, so that was out there, nice.
Speaker 2You know, you mentioned in the documentary that john said you're gonna have trouble getting with somebody else. You know they're all gonna compare themselves to me, right? Yep, and how are they good enough for you, did you find that?
Speaker 3All the time. Yeah, I've been now, you know, tony and I have been divorced for a while and a lot of people don't even know that we've been married. We were married, you know.
Speaker 2Oh really.
Speaker 3Yeah, and I will tell you, finding a date is not that easy, and it's been, and I'm saying a long time.
Speaker 2Uh-oh, Do you hear that people? We need to set May up. It's time but.
Speaker 3I'm good. You know what I'm saying. I'm good.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Well, it's interesting to me that a lot of people didn't know that you were married to Tony yeah, it's. It's quite interesting because you went over to England. What?
Speaker 3do you think? I just think that, uh, I don't talk about it as much now and I and Tony doesn't talk about it, so all of a sudden it's like I didn didn't know you were married, you know. So it's just quite interesting.
Speaker 3So it's okay and then you know the only way that some people, if they really do a deep dive and go down that rabbit hole and really look at my life, or you know and you really do that dive, then you hear about it and it's really funny because a lot of people have asked me. They said are your kids his kids?
Speaker 2Well, as a matter of fact, they are. Thank you.
Speaker 3Yes, they are, and I mean Visconti.
Speaker 2when you look at her, or they have that bit of the Asian look and they go Visconti, you know that's when you look at her or you look at, they have that a bit of the Asian look and they go Visconti. So, with all, from being a 23 year old, your first living boyfriend was John Lennon. Oh, you know, dealing with the, having a famous boyfriend like that right, and then lover like that really let's you know to growing up Chinese in that atmosphere and having a fantastic mom that broke the boundaries, really having her own business, and that strength of a woman.
Speaker 2having her own business and that strength of a woman, what part of your life, would you say, shaped you the most, or did you feel like you know?
Speaker 3I'll tell you that a lot of it. And I didn't even realize until I was much older how much the influence of my mother was there. She was the fighter. Um, and I will, you know, I will say that I don't think I would if I didn't have her around and being grounded and being taught. You know, we're all I, when I was growing up, she, she didn't.
Speaker 3We didn't grow up in Chinatown because everybody wanted to say, you know, she didn't speak English, neither none of my parents. So why would she, you know, not live in that community? If you look at everybody who's in, if you're Greek, you stay with your Greek, or you're this, you stay with it. And I said, how come you didn't live in Chinatown? I asked my mother that and she said it was so dirty, I hated that area. So she ended up, we ended up in Harlem, so in living in Harlem, and the only reason we moved to Spanish Harlem was because they were tearing down all the tenement buildings. So they moved everybody down to the projects and so everybody moved over to Spanish Harlem. So, you know, I was, I was in lots of ways. I think it's a blessing that I grew up not in Chinatown, because it could have been a whole different scenario at that point.
Speaker 2Yeah, for sure. And I have to ask one last question, because it was on the back of my mind did you ever get a house in Montauk?
Speaker 3no, here's the thing we never did. Um, and I and that house now is it's very funny it's gone through different, obviously different people bought it. I couldn't believe that I actually met somebody, that I that did my makeup one day, did photography for me once, and all of a sudden he goes. I lived in that house and I was like what? So it's just, it was just weird.
Speaker 3But the house now is, uh, as much as John loved it, it's now at the edge and it looks like it's the erosion of, of the place, you know, of the, of the sand, and the cliff is just coming. And then I remember somebody saying to me uh, real estate people say any minute, now you can just go right into that ocean. Oh man, yeah, but it's a, it was a, it was a house that was nostalgic for john because it reminded him of scotland and his scottish you know time. And, uh, we went in there, we took julian and I remember john saying to me he goes, can you deal with the kitchen? And because it's small and it was a galley sort of a galley kitchen and it was, and it was, it was nice and it was stone, it was just that feel and I said listen, anything is better than my own apartment. When I got my first apartment you know, a studio, how big is that?
UFO Sightings and Final Thoughts
Speaker 3anything is better and even the even the galley kitchen that we had in our apartment. People think that john and I lived in a very big apartment. We lived in what did we call the penthouse tower? That's what it was called then, and it was only about maybe 800 square feet and that was it 800 or 900 somewhere in there. We lived on top the main, the apartments below we lived on top. It was like this oh, here's an extra place where we'll put an apartment. You know, but it was small yeah with a balcony.
Speaker 2So that reminds me of the, the ufo story, right. Have you seen any?
Speaker 3since I'm sorry, have you seen any ufo since? I saw one other one um a few years later, but not since it's been long in time, but I did see another one.
Speaker 2Yeah, I've always heard New York is visited a lot by UFOs.
Speaker 3Especially upstate New York, there's an area during the summer apparently, and I guess it's the open field. I guess it's that opening it's. I guess it's that opening. You know it's wide open skies and it just comes in that direction. So I read about that. I haven't found it. You know where to go because you know, unless you have a car, you want to spend your time out there and if you got to be, it's got to be dark. You know, yeah, you can see when you spot one. I mean, when I tell people how close it was, there was no mistake, and I love when people you tell them I, you know I saw one. They go how much were you? You know what drugs were you taking. You know that's, that's their first thing with me, yeah, or they'll say it about John. Oh, what was he smoking? What you know that whole thing. Oh, what was he smoking? What you know that whole thing. When you realize how close this thing was, it was kind of wild that you couldn't mistake what it was.
Speaker 2Gosh, I want to thank you so much.
Speaker 4Thank you so much for your time. Yeah, pleasure meeting you?
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